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		<title>By: Dale McCarty</title>
		<link>http://tfninsider.org/2008/09/24/sboe-chairman-dentist-science-guy/#comment-824</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is almost laughable that Cynthia Dunbar brings up the holocost as she seems almost facist in her style of thinking.  She should be immediately removed from any public office to which she has been appointed.  If elected somone should start a recall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is almost laughable that Cynthia Dunbar brings up the holocost as she seems almost facist in her style of thinking.  She should be immediately removed from any public office to which she has been appointed.  If elected somone should start a recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://tfninsider.org/2008/09/24/sboe-chairman-dentist-science-guy/#comment-186</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam Lowry said: &quot;as preposterous as Newton claiming the apple fell to the ground by sheer act of will.&quot;

Right you are. Any educated person knows that the apple was pushed! Gravity? Hmmph! Just a theory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Lowry said: &#8220;as preposterous as Newton claiming the apple fell to the ground by sheer act of will.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right you are. Any educated person knows that the apple was pushed! Gravity? Hmmph! Just a theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Der Rot Baron</title>
		<link>http://tfninsider.org/2008/09/24/sboe-chairman-dentist-science-guy/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Der Rot Baron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a scientist who has actually done research, even on the cutting edge, and lived the art of science, let me propose a controlled experiment on natural phenomenon that we all can observe empirically, and that goes well beyond the empirical feedback created by the occasional clinical application of science in the disease care industry.  First, lets not get completely lost in a fog of rhetorical relativism regarding the supernatural and the ineffable, but rather do what science can do.  There are over seven million practicing Muslims in the United States today, a bunch in Texas.   And, we all know they are blood thirsty suicidal psychotic serial killers, every last one of them.  The Hagee whore tells us so, channeling for (his) God.  And, the Hagee whore and his followers expect specific respect for their Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of belief.   So, as a scientific empirical test of natural behavior, I propose that we formally propose to the SBOE that copies of the Koran be supplied to every public school student in Texas, and that Islam based creationism be taught in public school science classes,  along side natural biologically based evolutionary theory.  In fact, we could add an amendment to this proposal to the SBOE that having already purchased the Koran for 4.6 million public school students, that its English and/or Spanish translation be used as a basis for teaching reading in Texas public schools.  This amendment or addendum would be a way to empirically and scientifically test &quot;bang for the buck&quot; theories in Texas textbook educational spending,  or at least be a pilot study for further research on this issue.  I think this would be a great empirical scientific test of natural phenomenon.  Its contained, structured, and doable.  It would lead to interpretable empirical data and outcomes about specific natural phenomenon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a scientist who has actually done research, even on the cutting edge, and lived the art of science, let me propose a controlled experiment on natural phenomenon that we all can observe empirically, and that goes well beyond the empirical feedback created by the occasional clinical application of science in the disease care industry.  First, lets not get completely lost in a fog of rhetorical relativism regarding the supernatural and the ineffable, but rather do what science can do.  There are over seven million practicing Muslims in the United States today, a bunch in Texas.   And, we all know they are blood thirsty suicidal psychotic serial killers, every last one of them.  The Hagee whore tells us so, channeling for (his) God.  And, the Hagee whore and his followers expect specific respect for their Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of belief.   So, as a scientific empirical test of natural behavior, I propose that we formally propose to the SBOE that copies of the Koran be supplied to every public school student in Texas, and that Islam based creationism be taught in public school science classes,  along side natural biologically based evolutionary theory.  In fact, we could add an amendment to this proposal to the SBOE that having already purchased the Koran for 4.6 million public school students, that its English and/or Spanish translation be used as a basis for teaching reading in Texas public schools.  This amendment or addendum would be a way to empirically and scientifically test &#8220;bang for the buck&#8221; theories in Texas textbook educational spending,  or at least be a pilot study for further research on this issue.  I think this would be a great empirical scientific test of natural phenomenon.  Its contained, structured, and doable.  It would lead to interpretable empirical data and outcomes about specific natural phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: tejas</title>
		<link>http://tfninsider.org/2008/09/24/sboe-chairman-dentist-science-guy/#comment-182</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As to a  dentist &quot;knowing&quot;, my children&#039;s father is a dentist ,genius IQ, and supernatural EGO, and yes, had science background of course, but certainly not of a reseracher qualified to speak on scientific testable explanations - apples and oranges. McElroy was doing okay for a minute there, on allowing for the mystery, the unknown, but totally lost credibility when tried to connect the dots to &quot;testable explanations of natural phenomena&quot; - that would be an oxymoron, like supernatural and empirical evidence = pigs fly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to a  dentist &#8220;knowing&#8221;, my children&#8217;s father is a dentist ,genius IQ, and supernatural EGO, and yes, had science background of course, but certainly not of a reseracher qualified to speak on scientific testable explanations &#8211; apples and oranges. McElroy was doing okay for a minute there, on allowing for the mystery, the unknown, but totally lost credibility when tried to connect the dots to &#8220;testable explanations of natural phenomena&#8221; &#8211; that would be an oxymoron, like supernatural and empirical evidence = pigs fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Cytocop</title>
		<link>http://tfninsider.org/2008/09/24/sboe-chairman-dentist-science-guy/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cytocop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 01:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the writer &quot;Kay&quot; above, apparently Kay perceives logic to be not &quot;humble&quot; enough.  (Apparently, to be humble in her opinion, one must turn off one&#039;s critical thinking skills).  She also assumes the writer of this article is not as scientifically knowledgeable as a dentist, that dentists are superior scientists to the writer.  I wonder how she knows the qualifications of the writer.  This is the kind of hostile attitude science in Texas is up against.

I&#039;m curious which flavor of religion does she and her hero, Don McLeroy, want taught in science class instead of science.  Would Wicca do?  Why not Satanism?  I see no logical reason not to not include all religions if religion is to be taught.  Why settle for one when you can have many - for the price of one?  

Furthermore, I wonder what other school subjects she and Mr. McLeroy would like to have omitted in favor of religion.  If science is to be abandoned for religion, why not abandon math for religion, English for religion, etc.  In fact, why not just teach religion?

Sarcastically yours,
Cytocop]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the writer &#8220;Kay&#8221; above, apparently Kay perceives logic to be not &#8220;humble&#8221; enough.  (Apparently, to be humble in her opinion, one must turn off one&#8217;s critical thinking skills).  She also assumes the writer of this article is not as scientifically knowledgeable as a dentist, that dentists are superior scientists to the writer.  I wonder how she knows the qualifications of the writer.  This is the kind of hostile attitude science in Texas is up against.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious which flavor of religion does she and her hero, Don McLeroy, want taught in science class instead of science.  Would Wicca do?  Why not Satanism?  I see no logical reason not to not include all religions if religion is to be taught.  Why settle for one when you can have many &#8211; for the price of one?  </p>
<p>Furthermore, I wonder what other school subjects she and Mr. McLeroy would like to have omitted in favor of religion.  If science is to be abandoned for religion, why not abandon math for religion, English for religion, etc.  In fact, why not just teach religion?</p>
<p>Sarcastically yours,<br />
Cytocop</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://tfninsider.org/2008/09/24/sboe-chairman-dentist-science-guy/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hypocrisy:  insisting on emphasizing ideologically perceived weaknesses in a specific scientific theory, whose accurate predictions are responsible for lifesaving breakthroughs like genetically-engineered drugs, while not breathing a word about discussing any of the thousands of contradictions, inconsistencies, inaccuracies, fallacies and absurdities of the Bible in Bible-based classes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypocrisy:  insisting on emphasizing ideologically perceived weaknesses in a specific scientific theory, whose accurate predictions are responsible for lifesaving breakthroughs like genetically-engineered drugs, while not breathing a word about discussing any of the thousands of contradictions, inconsistencies, inaccuracies, fallacies and absurdities of the Bible in Bible-based classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Lowry</title>
		<link>http://tfninsider.org/2008/09/24/sboe-chairman-dentist-science-guy/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Lowry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kay rightly assumes that someone with a medical background would surely have completed significant amounts of science coursework and yet, lo and behold, the good &quot;doctor&quot; seems to only have a dubious grasp of even the most basic of scientific theories.  It seems to me that the scientific community -- academia in particular -- may have left evolution by the wayside generations ago in favor of teaching theorems that are new, challenging in their own right and provide far more stimulation and conjecture.  Evolution is known.  It is proven.  To challenge it in any regard would be as preposterous as Newton claiming the apple fell to the ground by sheer act of will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kay rightly assumes that someone with a medical background would surely have completed significant amounts of science coursework and yet, lo and behold, the good &#8220;doctor&#8221; seems to only have a dubious grasp of even the most basic of scientific theories.  It seems to me that the scientific community &#8212; academia in particular &#8212; may have left evolution by the wayside generations ago in favor of teaching theorems that are new, challenging in their own right and provide far more stimulation and conjecture.  Evolution is known.  It is proven.  To challenge it in any regard would be as preposterous as Newton claiming the apple fell to the ground by sheer act of will.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas T. Hawes</title>
		<link>http://tfninsider.org/2008/09/24/sboe-chairman-dentist-science-guy/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas T. Hawes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whose God are we suppose to hold responsible?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whose God are we suppose to hold responsible?</p>
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		<title>By: Lane</title>
		<link>http://tfninsider.org/2008/09/24/sboe-chairman-dentist-science-guy/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not only that, but science is necessarily empirical and concerned only with appearances. Any claim as to the metaphysical status of an event is non-empirical and cannot be investigated scientifically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only that, but science is necessarily empirical and concerned only with appearances. Any claim as to the metaphysical status of an event is non-empirical and cannot be investigated scientifically.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria Endres</title>
		<link>http://tfninsider.org/2008/09/24/sboe-chairman-dentist-science-guy/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gloria Endres]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The above statement by Chairman McLeroy is breathtaking. He would, if successful in his pursuit of religious indoctrination via sectarian education, completely destroy science education in public schools. The chaos that would ensue would be revolutionary. I have taught most of my adult life and I have heard little children say in answer to the question: How do we get rain? &quot;God makes it rain.&quot; That sums up all answers when you do not know the answer.  Thus a politician can say that hurricanes and earthquakes are acts of God in punishment for sin. Climate change is a sign of the End Times and so on. This attack on science is as subversive a movement as any that has threatened American life and culture in its history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above statement by Chairman McLeroy is breathtaking. He would, if successful in his pursuit of religious indoctrination via sectarian education, completely destroy science education in public schools. The chaos that would ensue would be revolutionary. I have taught most of my adult life and I have heard little children say in answer to the question: How do we get rain? &#8220;God makes it rain.&#8221; That sums up all answers when you do not know the answer.  Thus a politician can say that hurricanes and earthquakes are acts of God in punishment for sin. Climate change is a sign of the End Times and so on. This attack on science is as subversive a movement as any that has threatened American life and culture in its history.</p>
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